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cliff spending and revenue raised in the next three weeks, and, yes, that's at the end of the month. they'll get through that, but, again, you want to have leverage when you have that conversation. that leverage is going to, i think, hinge off of what you were saying, and i think you're right. boehner has probably the better hand to play here given that really there's not a strong hand, but it's a better hand than what he otherwise would have in terms of negotiations. if he is just allowed get in the room and negotiate the deal because he knows he has all these other, you know, arrows in his quiver that he can use. >> i just -- i think it's hopeful that they went -- that he went to the white house yesterday and almost kind of hopeful that at least everybody is agreeing not to say anything, as opposed to leaking bad news. really quickly, jonathan, the president is going to michigan, and he will be -- well, he is there en route now. the right to work law in michigan could be signed as early, i believe, finalized as early as tomorrow. what is the president owe labor unions at this point
cliff spending and revenue raised in the next three weeks, and, yes, that's at the end of the month. they'll get through that, but, again, you want to have leverage when you have that conversation. that leverage is going to, i think, hinge off of what you were saying, and i think you're right. boehner has probably the better hand to play here given that really there's not a strong hand, but it's a better hand than what he otherwise would have in terms of negotiations. if he is just allowed get...
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the other thing that will happen with the fiscal cliff is the massive withdraw of government spending and we haven't talked about that as much as taxes. people with less money because of tax cuts going away would have less money to spend into the economy but also the federal government withdrawing federal spending from parts of the economy that are used to getting it, the military, et cetera but other sectors nonmilitary. that's the other piece that could hurt people. >> when we talk about the fiscal cliff and back and forth that is happening between the white house and the hill, i guess i'm confused because on one hand there is a sense that this is all par for the course, they know they're going to get a deal done, it's fine, everything is good and then there's also this sort of the pr blitz which is, we are very far from a deal. this is what ayman alluded to this, the speaker had a press conference a few minutes ago. david axelrod giving his take and john boehner giving his take. let's take a listen. >> you saying then for pr purposes -- >> the president and the speaker are very flu
the other thing that will happen with the fiscal cliff is the massive withdraw of government spending and we haven't talked about that as much as taxes. people with less money because of tax cuts going away would have less money to spend into the economy but also the federal government withdrawing federal spending from parts of the economy that are used to getting it, the military, et cetera but other sectors nonmilitary. that's the other piece that could hurt people. >> when we talk...
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go over the fiscal cliff. take $1.2 trillion out of spending and tax hikes, stops the spending. mandatory spending cuts across the board. you know what? the only way to do it. only way to do it. everything else is chump change. >> dana: how do you deal with deficit reduction if you raise the taxes on a portion of the country that will pay for the government for 8.5 days? >> bob: you couple that with the social security adjustments and medicare. 'canes that is not what geithner put on the table. >> dana: that is going to be on -- >> bob: that is what is going to be on the table. >> dana: republicans held their feet on the fire. >> bob: whatever it took. >> greg: i used to think howard dean was a proctologist because he had his head up his butt but he pulled the curtain back. it's never about raising taxes on the rich because you run out of rich. >> andrea: right. >> greg: that is the point. >> eric: raise tax on everyone who pays taxes or everyone? everyone means the poor and 47% will start paying. >> greg: if you raise taxes up 2%, eight days of government? >> andrea: the dirty
go over the fiscal cliff. take $1.2 trillion out of spending and tax hikes, stops the spending. mandatory spending cuts across the board. you know what? the only way to do it. only way to do it. everything else is chump change. >> dana: how do you deal with deficit reduction if you raise the taxes on a portion of the country that will pay for the government for 8.5 days? >> bob: you couple that with the social security adjustments and medicare. 'canes that is not what geithner put...
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cliff negotiations, immigration reform has become like taxes and spending. do you do it step-by-step, which is what the republicans like, because they'd like to show they are tough on security and there isn't a legal path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, or do you do the whole thing all together? if i were carl rove, which isn't something i imagine myself being often, i would knock on the door of olympia snowe and say what are your lessons for us? >> fun conversation. >> that would actually be a fun conversation. we hope that carl rove, if you're listening, takes that advice. >>> coming to the recent data, planned parenthood provides less than 5% of resources to abortion services, but that's not stopping republicans in their quest to defund the organization entirely. we'll head to the lone star state and take a look at the eye of the storm just ahead. >>> lauren wanted to introduce cabbage to mainstream america. she created mother-in law's kimchi. for more, watch 7:30 on msnbc. we are gathered here today to celebrate the union of tim and laura. it's am
cliff negotiations, immigration reform has become like taxes and spending. do you do it step-by-step, which is what the republicans like, because they'd like to show they are tough on security and there isn't a legal path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, or do you do the whole thing all together? if i were carl rove, which isn't something i imagine myself being often, i would knock on the door of olympia snowe and say what are your lessons for us? >> fun conversation. >> that...
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cliff hostage. and that's really unacceptable. president obama has put spending cuts on the table. he's put an increase in the tax rates for the wealthiest americans on the table. we've put making sure that we have p get a tremendous amount of savings out of the entitlement programs. what have the republicans put on the table? virtually nothing. it is time to be rational and compromise. >> to that point, what haley barber said this morning about the possibility of compromise. he was on "morning joe" today. >> as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. i would hold my nose despite the facts that raising those two tax is bad economics, bad for jobs, going to hurt the economy. i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> does he have a point? are democrats really prepared to deal with entitlement reform to maybe substant
cliff hostage. and that's really unacceptable. president obama has put spending cuts on the table. he's put an increase in the tax rates for the wealthiest americans on the table. we've put making sure that we have p get a tremendous amount of savings out of the entitlement programs. what have the republicans put on the table? virtually nothing. it is time to be rational and compromise. >> to that point, what haley barber said this morning about the possibility of compromise. he was on...
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saying my goodness if we engage in this -- if we go over this fiscal cliff we're hurting the job market. it's fascinating to see how they change messages day by day. another example is the increase in the medicare eligibility age. this is a big thing on their wish list. this does not save money. this raises the cost of health care if you look economywide. there's not a good policy reason to do this. but it becomes a trophy. a substantiveless trophy. >> right. okay. julian, boehner's office is denying that they asked for permanent tax cuts for the rich saying any talk of making any rates permanent is moot because part of their offer is doing comprehensive tax reform next year. are you buying that? >> no. i think it's important right now to step back and understand the stage craft that the losing side in these debates always has to go through. i went through two of these negotiations very intimately when i was a staff government reform committee in '91. it's slow walking. when one side realizes they've lost debate but not able to go to their caucus and tell them they lost. in boehner's ca
saying my goodness if we engage in this -- if we go over this fiscal cliff we're hurting the job market. it's fascinating to see how they change messages day by day. another example is the increase in the medicare eligibility age. this is a big thing on their wish list. this does not save money. this raises the cost of health care if you look economywide. there's not a good policy reason to do this. but it becomes a trophy. a substantiveless trophy. >> right. okay. julian, boehner's...
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ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco something he said we drove off a long time ago. he writes in "the washington times" social security, medicaid and medicare spending needs to be slaughtered and let's stop the insanity of the right to vote of any american on welfare. once they get off well taer and are self-sustaining they get their right restored. no american on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those americans working and paying taxes to support them. >>> and "the daily show's" jon stewart says maybe we should go off the fiscal cliff. >> back and forth of offers. it's pretty clear the republicans aren't going to come to the table with anything reasonable. i'll be the one to say it, i know it will be disastrous and doom our economy for years to come, let's go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the cliff. you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >> all right. that's going to wrap things up for me today. thanks for your time. see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 e
ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco something he said we drove off a long time ago. he writes in "the washington times" social security, medicaid and medicare spending needs to be slaughtered and let's stop the insanity of the right to vote of any american on welfare. once they get off well taer and are self-sustaining they get their right restored. no american on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those americans working and paying taxes to support...
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cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where are we in these negotiations, susan? >> i think the most encouraging thing was they agreed to the to characterize the phone call. the last time around the characterization of the phone call became a controversy in itself. i think it's pretty clear that the white house and republicans think the white house hand on this is strengthening. we see the polls that you mention, pew polls this week say americans trust the president more, assume if a deal is not reached -- trust the white house more, think if a deal isn't reached it, will be the fault of republicans and it is in fact easier for democrats to go over the fiscal cliff than it is for republicans because then all t
cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where are we in these negotiations, susan? >> i think the most encouraging thing was they agreed to the to characterize the phone call. the...
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the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do corporate tax reform. so we are seeing some movement from the white house, but nothing yet from the house republicans. >> all right. john boehner just came to the microphone. he's just met with his caucus. let's see if he has anything new. >> -- the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out the day after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. our plan meets these standards. it cuts spend
the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do...
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billion and in the of fiscal cliff talkings. this is it a number that nides to be addressed. is it that strong that we spend this much money on unemployment benefits. the stupidity of it the guy in the white house had four years to turn it around. he hasn't done it it is idiotic. you have four years and you were begin a man date and why haven't you brought down the rate of unemployment. because they all believe in economics and believe that spending makes everybody happy and makes everybody have a profit. wrong. it is not that. >> they would say they have done something. he passed out all of the unemployment benefits. you say 50 billion it is 520 billion in emergency benefits. that is 520 billion and i don't know not invested in jobs and creating new enterprizeses and redistributed and ultimately destroyed. >> christian, to tracey's point. we have them come on and say they want to hire and they're afraid to hire . it is regulation and other issues. this is behais going to build the other economy. it will create those jobs. >> it
billion and in the of fiscal cliff talkings. this is it a number that nides to be addressed. is it that strong that we spend this much money on unemployment benefits. the stupidity of it the guy in the white house had four years to turn it around. he hasn't done it it is idiotic. you have four years and you were begin a man date and why haven't you brought down the rate of unemployment. because they all believe in economics and believe that spending makes everybody happy and makes everybody...
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cliff stand. for the first time in a while the president has no public events today. on his agenda he has spent the last few weeks as you know on this relentless pr campaign to talk about it. and his lack of a tuesday to do list adds punch to reports like this one in the "wall street journal" with the headline talks take positive turn. >> john boehner, sitting down with the president, seems these two men are getting the job done, from what we hear. >> it is the serious business because they've got to come to a framework at the end of this week if they're going to get it written in time and passed in time so they all don't have to spend christmas in washington. >> that's right,er. wants to get out of town for the holidays. we are book now with our political power panel. msnbc contributor ron reagan and republican strategist. this is where things stand. last night the president's team called boehner, asked for more details on taxes. boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts.
cliff stand. for the first time in a while the president has no public events today. on his agenda he has spent the last few weeks as you know on this relentless pr campaign to talk about it. and his lack of a tuesday to do list adds punch to reports like this one in the "wall street journal" with the headline talks take positive turn. >> john boehner, sitting down with the president, seems these two men are getting the job done, from what we hear. >> it is the serious...
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are you expecting the economy to go over the fiscal cliff and see these taxes go high hadder and spending cuts take effect? >> my personal view is i'm still optimistic. i think the conversation has been constructive since. do we have a solution on the table yet? no. but i'm optimistic we'll get to a framework. >> why? >> there's been enough dialogue. there's been movement. everyone seems to recognize the problem. everybody realizes there has to be a revenue component, spend component, entitlement reform component. for us, the business community and all the ceos, certainty is the greatest stimulus for us. >> do you support tax rates going higher? >> me personally, as an individual, more importantly the business community, which i'm part of. we support something inclusive. if rates were higher in a videocasset vacuum, i'm not sure we'd be supportive of that. we have to make sure the consumers, those who spends a lot of the dollars, the middle class, are protected in this exercise. >> i guess the question i'm really getting at is, do you get the revenue from tax increases or from broadening
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and much of that is attributable to fears about the fiscal cliff. all bets could be off the table if we go off the fiscal cliff. >> sure if you go over the cliff. and you'll still have some tax hikes. we have consumer spending around 2% in real terms in line with income. we don't think the whole tax hikes will go into effect early next year. so yeah if you go over the cliff, lots of things consumers, businesses, you name it. but i don't think we're going to go over the cliff. at least we're noi not going to dive over. and i think without that, the dividend income and net consumer spending, consumer confidence number watch what people do. not what they say. other measures of confidence have been doing much better and that'll rebound. >> if we just back up for a second, steven, we talk about the fiscal cliff every day. those who are in the market talk about the fiscal cliff every day. does the average consumer out there moms and pops, do they talk about the fiscal cliff? does it factor into their spending efforts? >> not really. that's a great questio
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fiscal cliff debate? woyou far? >> well, bill, we aren't seeing any meaningful spending cuts. the president has offered zero. >> if they could come up with meaningful spending cuts, would you be willing to offset that on the tax increase on the top 2% that the president is demanding. >> bill, let me tell you, if we tax the top 2% 100% of their income it would only fund the government for 91 days. that's not the solution. we've got to stop the spending, and we've got to make some wholesale cuts. i'm in favor of getting rid of the department of education totally. let's get rid of the e.p.a. and the department of energy and the department of commerce and a lot of these -- >> are you considering what the implications on education spending and education budgets will be? are you thinking about students? >> no, absolutely i'm thinking about students. >> really? >> let's find bridges to spend those powers back to the states and the people as the constitution calls it for it to be. let's leave the power in the han
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look, you are talking about the fiscal cliff, 25 days away until these tax hikes and federal spending cuts go into effect. you are looking at wall street. it is not making any big moves because of the uncertainty of what is going to happen with this. how long are politicians going to continue dragging their feet. and it is not just wall street. you know, it is beginning to eat into consumer confidence. we just got this index, university of michigan consumer confidence index. just a short time ago, this morning. it showed that consumer confidence plunged and in the first week of its month because americans don't know what to expect taxwise. that's a bad sign for retailers at the most important time of the year. the holidays. because guess what, if consumers aren't feeling confident, they are no going to spend. that domino effect that hit retailers, many of these retailers depend on the holiday sales to push them into a profit important the year. this is what's weighing out there in -- you know, for consumers, yes. fiscal cliff definitely weighing on things. despite the fact that the jo
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, like fund manages, then they go and spend regardless of the fiscal cliff like fund managers, you can get a very strong first half of next year. i'm not there yet. that's an opportunity. >>> up next, shares of amazon soaring this year. we debate whether the holiday rush can keep this stock glowing in the green. >>> and we head to the pits to find out what the gold bugs are doing ahead of the big fed decision. "halftime" comes back right after this. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ it's part of what you slove about her.essing.e. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be
, like fund manages, then they go and spend regardless of the fiscal cliff like fund managers, you can get a very strong first half of next year. i'm not there yet. that's an opportunity. >>> up next, shares of amazon soaring this year. we debate whether the holiday rush can keep this stock glowing in the green. >>> and we head to the pits to find out what the gold bugs are doing ahead of the big fed decision. "halftime" comes back right after this. americans are...
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the fiscal cliff will result in tax increases and federal spending cuts. >> both parties are kind of, hey, i'm going to do my thing, you're going to do your thing, nobody seems to want to give in. they're going to have to because this country's in a dire situation. >> many shoppers agree, as tax paying citizens, one of the top things on their wish list for christmas is for the president and congress to compromise and to get a deal done. >> please start working together and remember the people who put you in office. >> nadia ramdass, wbal-tv 11 news. >> jews around the world celebrated the beginning of eight-day hanukkah festival saturday evening by lighting the ceremonial lamps. in chicago, hundreds gathered to watch the lighting of an eight-foot menorah. hanukkah commemorates the jewish uprising in the second century b.c. against the greek syrian kingdom. the holiday last it is eight days. according to tradition, when the jews rededicated the temple in jerusalem, a single vial of oil burned for eight days. and here in baltimore, some people celebrated the first night of hanukkah with
the fiscal cliff will result in tax increases and federal spending cuts. >> both parties are kind of, hey, i'm going to do my thing, you're going to do your thing, nobody seems to want to give in. they're going to have to because this country's in a dire situation. >> many shoppers agree, as tax paying citizens, one of the top things on their wish list for christmas is for the president and congress to compromise and to get a deal done. >> please start working together and...
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. >> legislators say they need to see how fiscal cliff negotiations develop before making any budget plans. between 50,000 to 90,000 jobs could be lost if across-the- board spending cuts and tax increases are not averted. mike miller says that it will help determine what major finance initiatives will need to be considered for the state's upcoming legislation. president barack obama says approach in the fiscal cliff will add to holiday stress for american families. >> the closer it gets to the brink, the more stressed they will be. businesses are making decisions right now about investment and hiring. they don't have confidence that we can get this thing done, they will start pulling back and we could have a lousy time in our haqqani for the next several months. >> the president made the remarks while visiting with the virginia family to talk about the budget crisis. >> for now, the stalled negotiations cannot seem to be affecting local holiday shopping and events in and around baltimore. >> harbour east is one of the air is a special -- with special events going on throughout the ci
. >> legislators say they need to see how fiscal cliff negotiations develop before making any budget plans. between 50,000 to 90,000 jobs could be lost if across-the- board spending cuts and tax increases are not averted. mike miller says that it will help determine what major finance initiatives will need to be considered for the state's upcoming legislation. president barack obama says approach in the fiscal cliff will add to holiday stress for american families. >> the closer it...
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that is of high importance in solving the fiscal cliff negotiations and in a longer term way bringing the country to a sustainable fiscal course. what specific changes to medicare or medicaid would you be willing to imbraes today right new that would slow the growth in our medical spenting? >> i'm not going to debate the specifics on television. i think that what the president is doing, is clear that he has indicated that we have to raise the tax rate. the tax rates, bush tax cuts, was temporary in nature. >> that's not what i asked. i asked what specific would you be willing to do to address what is clearly the number one thing that is going to blow the hole in not only the economy but federal spending, federal budget over the next generation. >> what we have to do is negotiate. everything should be on the table. i think the president indicated that everything would be on the table. the president indicated he is ready to talk about entitlements, et cetera. the other side said we can cannot raise tax hikes at all. we have to make sure that everything is on the table. if everything is
that is of high importance in solving the fiscal cliff negotiations and in a longer term way bringing the country to a sustainable fiscal course. what specific changes to medicare or medicaid would you be willing to imbraes today right new that would slow the growth in our medical spenting? >> i'm not going to debate the specifics on television. i think that what the president is doing, is clear that he has indicated that we have to raise the tax rate. the tax rates, bush tax cuts, was...
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merry cliff mas. with a dramatic name like fiscal cliff, it has to be exciting. jim? >> the president is asking for 1.6 trillion. >> $600 billion in tax hikes. >> dividends and capital gains. >> discretionary spending. >> i'm up. what happened? is it over? >> pro union protesters are swarming the michigan capitol building in lansing. >> you're disgusting. >> dude, you are from michigan, detroit. eight mile. you have to come up with better miles than busting and disgusting. if you want to win the rap battle, put effort into it. >> you have one job. one factory. when you seize every benefit you could, yo, my palms are sweaty and knees weak working in the factory building chevies. you plug it in and you win. ecologically because if it was an actual race you would not actually. you got to collect for the union or robots are going to take away our jobs or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands the work will go. this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo. >> we are locking at heavy rain and we will see improvements as the cold front clears the area. most of the country l
merry cliff mas. with a dramatic name like fiscal cliff, it has to be exciting. jim? >> the president is asking for 1.6 trillion. >> $600 billion in tax hikes. >> dividends and capital gains. >> discretionary spending. >> i'm up. what happened? is it over? >> pro union protesters are swarming the michigan capitol building in lansing. >> you're disgusting. >> dude, you are from michigan, detroit. eight mile. you have to come up with better miles...
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economy can go right over the fiscal cliff. and the $600 billion question. will the fed, does the fed have the fiscal fire power to offset tax hikes and spending cuts and keep the economy alive? it is a good question. we do expect the fed to keep interest rates near zero at least near 2015 and also continue to buy agency backed at the pace of $4 billion per month. a big change is the end of so-called operation twist and the potential start of what some are calling qe4. there are some big questions. do we expect some answers in about 5 minutes? let's hope. but we may not have to wait. we've got our own fed insider steve liesman here. he is in washington, where he himself scaled the georgian columns of the fed building. he is here with a preview. steve, what can we expect from the final fed decision of 2012? >> as you know, brian, i run a spdr line from the monument. that's how we get up here. this is really a historic day, and i think the market really hasn't focused on it. the fed's balance sheet is really about to explode. you just gave the numbers. i want
economy can go right over the fiscal cliff. and the $600 billion question. will the fed, does the fed have the fiscal fire power to offset tax hikes and spending cuts and keep the economy alive? it is a good question. we do expect the fed to keep interest rates near zero at least near 2015 and also continue to buy agency backed at the pace of $4 billion per month. a big change is the end of so-called operation twist and the potential start of what some are calling qe4. there are some big...
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was the issue preventing the deal on the fiscal cliff negotiations. right now, dow down 76 points. fox news reports former republican senator hagel emerged at the leading con tender to be president obama's pick to be secretary of defense, according to several democrats briefed on the process. the same sources say senator john kerry is talked up within the administration as a more likely nominee for secretary of state over susan rice, the current u.s. ambassador not united nations. a new study suggests this christmas travel season could be the busiest in six years. aaa predicts more than 93 million americans hitting the highways over the holidays, just 400,000 people shy of the record set in 2006. we continue our count down to the closing bell with the woman who likes her politics the same hi way likes her martinis, shaken, not stirred. liz: no, a mojito, light on the rum, adam. get it right. >> you look like a vodka woman to me, i don't know. liz: never. can't deal with that. a rough year for jcpenney, but things changing. the stock popped, but now th
was the issue preventing the deal on the fiscal cliff negotiations. right now, dow down 76 points. fox news reports former republican senator hagel emerged at the leading con tender to be president obama's pick to be secretary of defense, according to several democrats briefed on the process. the same sources say senator john kerry is talked up within the administration as a more likely nominee for secretary of state over susan rice, the current u.s. ambassador not united nations. a new study...
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. >> the good news is they are not focused on the fiscal cliff the way businesses are, but at some point everything comes home to roost. sentiment is up, spending is up, but are we spending our way into oblivion and then we're going to find out oops? >> i doubt it. >> no, okay. >> i think the fundamentals, the fundamentals for consumer spending is pretty good. gasoline problems is down. jobs growth good enough to keep everything going. let's not forget waves growth which hasn't been playing along. >> hasn't been in a while. >> we'll see you season. gentleman, thank you very much. is it time to raise the eligible age for medicare, after all, a lot of people are living longer than when the program first began in 1966. represent jan schakowsky says no way. she's here next. >>> and john mcafee talks about playing the crazy card but will the company find some criminals stealing millions from u.s. institutions. alpha one capital's dan niles with his top picks for 2013. he saw facebook's mess coming miles away and shorted it at 42, and wait until you hear what he's buying right now. stay with u
. >> the good news is they are not focused on the fiscal cliff the way businesses are, but at some point everything comes home to roost. sentiment is up, spending is up, but are we spending our way into oblivion and then we're going to find out oops? >> i doubt it. >> no, okay. >> i think the fundamentals, the fundamentals for consumer spending is pretty good. gasoline problems is down. jobs growth good enough to keep everything going. let's not forget waves growth which...
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we are told that $200 a month tax increase on middle class if we go over the fiscal cliff will doom us. well die. whole country will go bankrupt. you understand my facetiousness. but we spend well over $200 a m on things that didn't even exist ten years ago. the smart phones pb apps. cars. why are we spending 200 a m on things that didn't even exist back then. >> you don't feel it the the same way. >> you have to australia to get that for your tax says all can i say. thank you, lauren young. >> thank you. >> and she called it a chastity belt, maybe that's a brand in i don't know. i'm not hip. >> it was back in the medieval times. definite lay brand. >>> speaking of spending, luxury for less is turning into a trend this holiday season. retailers are struggling in flag ship stores but are cleaning up in outlets, right, courtney? you've been tracking this trend and you are in an outlet in new jersey as well? >> that's right, i am, mandy. it seems the consumers are finding value in the off price luxury. especially outlet centers like this one here and it is surprising a number of analyst a
we are told that $200 a month tax increase on middle class if we go over the fiscal cliff will doom us. well die. whole country will go bankrupt. you understand my facetiousness. but we spend well over $200 a m on things that didn't even exist ten years ago. the smart phones pb apps. cars. why are we spending 200 a m on things that didn't even exist back then. >> you don't feel it the the same way. >> you have to australia to get that for your tax says all can i say. thank you,...
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fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going on. booking trends have been strong or airlines as well. defense look at this, dfx, historic high. what sequestration worries out there. bottom line, everything on the upside. one sector i want to point out, dollar stores. dollar general came out with an outlook a little below estimates, look, down 7%. all the other ones a downside. they cited tough comps coming up and there are. a challenging environment and a challenging competitive environment. even the dollars stores in a tough competitive environment. >> dollar stores say their ma
fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going...
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just raise taxes on the upper income now to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. this, of course, kicks the can down the road. the republicans say no deal if spending cuts are not agreed upon, along with new revenue right now. not later. but now, the next salvo, democrats now are saying that they won't put any spending cut proposals out there, they want to first hear what cuts the republicans want first. i guess so that they can use that against them in the public forum. we'll remember the infamous granny over the cliff ad after paul ryan floated his budget. so, what is the end game here? what if john boehner doesn't blink? we now have less than three weeks before the new year. i have said it before -- i am not expecting a deal. it seems even the prospect of missed vacations for our law makers, something we already know they hold sacred, may not be enough to bring real compromise. and what about the markets? well, here's the scary part. clearly the markets are looking for a deal. look at today's nice rally. they are trading as if we will get a deal and it might on
just raise taxes on the upper income now to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. this, of course, kicks the can down the road. the republicans say no deal if spending cuts are not agreed upon, along with new revenue right now. not later. but now, the next salvo, democrats now are saying that they won't put any spending cut proposals out there, they want to first hear what cuts the republicans want first. i guess so that they can use that against them in the public forum. we'll remember the...
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assistance are being called the fiscal cliff. the only way to i void it is for president obama and congress to make a deal, cutting spending and raising revenue. adding to the sense of urgency. news that 350,000 people simply gave up looking for work in the month of november. and while that drove the unemployment rate down to 7.7%, the fiscal cuts and tax hikes are expected to dramatically slow job creation and increase unemployment possibly plunging the economy back into a recession. let's go to dana joining us from capitol hill. the latest negotiations don't seem to be going anywhere. >> they sure don't. the house speaker ended the week by calling it a wasted week. he only had one phone call with the president of the united states and he said it was just, "more of the same." now counter offer to what the republicans put out during the week which was $800 billion in new tax revenue. so there's certainly a lot of frustration. particularly right now on the side of republicans who understand that democrats have the leverage right n
assistance are being called the fiscal cliff. the only way to i void it is for president obama and congress to make a deal, cutting spending and raising revenue. adding to the sense of urgency. news that 350,000 people simply gave up looking for work in the month of november. and while that drove the unemployment rate down to 7.7%, the fiscal cuts and tax hikes are expected to dramatically slow job creation and increase unemployment possibly plunging the economy back into a recession. let's go...
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yet, here we are on the edge of this fiscal cliff. we're not sure what will happen. many people predicting we'll go over the cliff. if we go over the cliff and the automatic spending cuts take effect and the tax increases take effect, what do you think happens to the economy? >> well, at the brt meeting that you mentioned, where the president was nice enough to come over, the question was asked, if we go over the fiscal cliff, how many businesses in this room will reduce capital investment? remember, i just said -- and it's very demonstrable that capital investment is what drives gdp growth rate and job creation. that tells a story right there. if we go across the fiscal cliff, we will have an economic contraction or slow down at best. >> how are things looking right now ahead of the holidays? i'm sure your company is real busy, fedexing gifts. what are your expectations for this holiday season? >> well, you know, the 300,000 wonderful teammates of fedex are working very hard. we publicly forecast a couple weeks ago that on the 10th we would move 19 million shipments
yet, here we are on the edge of this fiscal cliff. we're not sure what will happen. many people predicting we'll go over the cliff. if we go over the cliff and the automatic spending cuts take effect and the tax increases take effect, what do you think happens to the economy? >> well, at the brt meeting that you mentioned, where the president was nice enough to come over, the question was asked, if we go over the fiscal cliff, how many businesses in this room will reduce capital...
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going over the fiscal cliff will actually help america. he's going to make his case, very bold statement there, to someone whose company will be decimated by the spending cuts to defense companies. you do not want to miss this confrontation. ricans are alwayso work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ >>> pretty clear apple stock is having its worst week in more than two years. let's get to bertha coombs with the details. >> tough end of the week ear. it's apple's horrible, awful week. today's decline saw shares hit a real technical weak point, the so-called death cross. that's where the 50-day moving average, the top line in yellow, crossed below the orange line. that's the 200-day moving
going over the fiscal cliff will actually help america. he's going to make his case, very bold statement there, to someone whose company will be decimated by the spending cuts to defense companies. you do not want to miss this confrontation. ricans are alwayso work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them....
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especially as the fiscal cliff gets closer. jane wells is talking to shoppers in canoga park, california for us. hi, jane. >> hey, sue. it is ugly sweater day. this one lights up. by the way, folks want you to know i did not buy this here. they would never sell such a monstrosity. but does it make you want to jump off the fiscal cliff? do consumers even know what the fiscal cliff is? wul mart says before the election about 25% of its core customers did. now 75% do. is it making any impact? >> 50% of our core customers are saying that all of this debate and discussion will effect their christmas spending this year. >> now nearly everyone we spoke to knows about the fiscal cliff but not everyone thinks about it. >> are you concerned about the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> no, i'm not, actually. i think they will fix fiscal cliff and i'm a positive person. >> i don't know how much it really impacts us but it impact the economy so i think we have had a really stressful year with business and health, so we haven't put
especially as the fiscal cliff gets closer. jane wells is talking to shoppers in canoga park, california for us. hi, jane. >> hey, sue. it is ugly sweater day. this one lights up. by the way, folks want you to know i did not buy this here. they would never sell such a monstrosity. but does it make you want to jump off the fiscal cliff? do consumers even know what the fiscal cliff is? wul mart says before the election about 25% of its core customers did. now 75% do. is it making any...
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the fiscal cliff is a pothole relative to the size of our government. the our problem is a spending problem, principally driven by entitlement spending growing at 6%, 7%, 8%. now i'm fearful under the president's economic policy, the new norm is 1.5% to 2% gdp growth. that math doesn't add up. >> that's the thing. if that was the new norm, if i were in there, i wouldn't want to raise taxes but i get your point. you're going to run the financial services committee, an extremely important post. just in brief, sir, i'm sure you've thought about dodd-frank. i just want to get your basic take. what does dodd-frank mean to the financial system and to the economy as you see it, as you ascend to this position of chairman? >> well, i think the regulatory burden is huge and what dodd-frank has done is, number one, not addressed the true route of the financial crisis of '08, which was a lot of federal policies, frankly, that con joeled and mandated financial institutions to loan money to people to buy homes that ultimately they couldn't afford to keep. i know they
the fiscal cliff is a pothole relative to the size of our government. the our problem is a spending problem, principally driven by entitlement spending growing at 6%, 7%, 8%. now i'm fearful under the president's economic policy, the new norm is 1.5% to 2% gdp growth. that math doesn't add up. >> that's the thing. if that was the new norm, if i were in there, i wouldn't want to raise taxes but i get your point. you're going to run the financial services committee, an extremely important...
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. >> regardless of what happenes with the fiscal cliff -- here we go, long-term problems won't go along. the aging population with huge social security end spending. bill is with the competitive institute. your typical calm not controversial headline at all bill, but we appreciate you joining us. the headline is very attention-grabbing. i like some of your points. but people will push back and say, what the answer? telling grand ma, no, i'm sorry, you can't have medical care? >> look at the data, brian wp pe have two trends on a collision course and it is a slow motion train wreck. this is the tendency for young people to not get married, not form families and not have babies. the numbers are quite startseling. that collides with entitlement democracy where we promised the elderly all these benefits. look at singapore, china be a hong kong. they are trending down to one live birth per woman. every generation, the population haves. even the black plague didn't do that big a job. >> except in asia one of the good things is they still have very much a system where we look after the elderly
. >> regardless of what happenes with the fiscal cliff -- here we go, long-term problems won't go along. the aging population with huge social security end spending. bill is with the competitive institute. your typical calm not controversial headline at all bill, but we appreciate you joining us. the headline is very attention-grabbing. i like some of your points. but people will push back and say, what the answer? telling grand ma, no, i'm sorry, you can't have medical care? >>...
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cliff. >> first, the fiscal cliff, relative to our nation's spending driven debt crisis is a pothole. you've got 0.3% of all americans that have million dollar incomes. this is a shell game. you can't tax your way out of this problem. i mean, you have revenues that are about the same levels they were five or six years ago, when deficits were running $100, $150 billion. now we know deficits are running $1 to $1.5 trillion. what's changed is on the spending side yet all this discussion is on the tax revenues. you can tax every millionaire 100% and run the government for two or three months. this is a spending driven crisis and it has to be solved on the spending side. until the president gets serious about it, i'm not sure what there is to talk about, soledad. >> i'm not sure that the only conversations have just been on the tax side. i actually think there have been conversations on both. at this moment, right, we're going over or toward the fiscal cliff. if you do nothing, all of our taxes are going up. why not, as a first move, say, listen, nobody at this point wants to raise taxes
cliff. >> first, the fiscal cliff, relative to our nation's spending driven debt crisis is a pothole. you've got 0.3% of all americans that have million dollar incomes. this is a shell game. you can't tax your way out of this problem. i mean, you have revenues that are about the same levels they were five or six years ago, when deficits were running $100, $150 billion. now we know deficits are running $1 to $1.5 trillion. what's changed is on the spending side yet all this discussion is...
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cuts that would come at the end of the year if we go over the fiscal cliff. the white house saying they don't expect we will. they still hope it can be prevented, but they have to start planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing arou
cuts that would come at the end of the year if we go over the fiscal cliff. the white house saying they don't expect we will. they still hope it can be prevented, but they have to start planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of...
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it's because the company blamed the fiscal cliff for its dramatically lower fiscal fourth quarter guidance which has sent the stock plummeting. it was down as much as 20% earlier today. the ceo joe kennedy says advertisers are being particularly cautious about spending in january which is included in pandora's fiscal fourth quarter. >> we did reduce guidance. i think it is very prudent because of this unique situation we have in which we're sensitive to the mix of ad spend in january as opposed to february and march. >> now, the last time pandora's stock dropped this much in one day was back in october on reports of apple preparing to launch a streaming music service. wall street analysts are keeping an eye on those very tough competitive issues as well as the fact that pandora spends over half its revenue on music licensing fees. the c.o.o. says he thinks the company is on good track and points to its mobile growth. though, investors do seem skeptical. brian. >> julia, thank you very much for that. we're going to leave it there. running a little short on time. is pandora's plunge a big bu
it's because the company blamed the fiscal cliff for its dramatically lower fiscal fourth quarter guidance which has sent the stock plummeting. it was down as much as 20% earlier today. the ceo joe kennedy says advertisers are being particularly cautious about spending in january which is included in pandora's fiscal fourth quarter. >> we did reduce guidance. i think it is very prudent because of this unique situation we have in which we're sensitive to the mix of ad spend in january as...
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those are issues that we should address, but not part of the fiscal cliff. >> eliot: there would an way to thread the needle with the moderate republicans and without deferring the republicans because of this majority of the majority rule. you know, time is up, unfortunately. we rarely go to bon jovi for political wisdom, but linguistics is what politics is all about. he said we should not be using the phrase "entitlements" but "empowerment." should we strike the word entitlements. >> it's not an entitlement because people have prayed
those are issues that we should address, but not part of the fiscal cliff. >> eliot: there would an way to thread the needle with the moderate republicans and without deferring the republicans because of this majority of the majority rule. you know, time is up, unfortunately. we rarely go to bon jovi for political wisdom, but linguistics is what politics is all about. he said we should not be using the phrase "entitlements" but "empowerment." should we strike the word...
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a large piece of the fiscal cliff is $94 billion in automatic government spending cuts over the next year. part of a trillion dollars in federal cuts over the next decade though even with these cuts the federal government is still projected to spend more each year over the next decade. to put this in perspective, one former cbo director says the costs of hurricane sandy could easily wipe out most of next year's savings. >> with a trillion dollar deficit right now. so if you cut 94 billion and nothing else changes you barely dented the deficit. the other programs are growing. we'll not see spending decline. in fact we'll likely have a emergency spending bill for sandy that is 60 billion. 94 is gone right there. >> even with a trillion dollars in cuts federal spending is on the way up every year starting with 3.5 trillion this fiscal year. nearly 3.6 trillion in 2014. 4 trillion by 2016 and 5 trillion by 2021. the cbo says even allowing 5 trillion in tax increases to hit the economy the next decade the federal government still spends $2.3 trillion more than it takes in. back to you. me
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so, sandra, if we hit this fiscal cliff, all the spending cuts kick in, what effect will that have on air travel? >> reporter: the big unknown is still how it will affect the everyday traveler. and that is certainly something a lot of people here are wanting to figure out. as for the air traffic controllers union, they released a statement this afternoon saying that it would be a major blow to the airline industry as well as the economy if these cuts are in effect. now, overall, we're talking about a nearly $2.2 billion projected cut to the department of transportation. half of that would come from the faa, and the tsa would suffer a $643 million spending cut. so according to the head of the tsa, they do have a plan b. they have a plan in place ready to go if these cuts are in place. now, he says that the overall front line operations would not be effective, but this would be a major severe budget cut and a lot of travelers here we spoke to, brooke, say they are paying close attention to the negotiations. >> it does concern me because, yes, i do travel not extensively, but enough on m
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the longer the white house walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: how many times can the president say it? you know, this is not negotiable. tax rates have to go up on the wealthiest. >> right. well you know, it is a very strange situation. it does feel a lot like groundhog day. but i think john boehner knows what's going to happen and right now, what he's trying to do is make a deal that won't cost him his speakership and it also won't be undermined by people in his caucus. he needs to have a significant share of republican's vote for whatever we do and i think he's trying to do that. that's why he sent us home a day early last week and canceled business this week. i think he's trying to keep his own people out of town so he has more flexibility in coming up with a solution. >> stephanie: you know it seems to me, representative, you described it exactly right. that's the problem is that they're doing what's best for them politically and you know, the president and you guys are trying to do what's best for the country. what's best for people that a
the longer the white house walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: how many times can the president say it? you know, this is not negotiable. tax rates have to go up on the wealthiest. >> right. well you know, it is a very strange situation. it does feel a lot like groundhog day. but i think john boehner knows what's going to happen and right now, what he's trying to do is make a deal that won't cost him his speakership and it also won't be...
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to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. but use that debate as an economic one, says our next guest. chairman of the council of economic advisers under george w. bush and adviser to presidential candidate mitt romney. he's in new york city this morning. glenn, great to see you. >> good morning. likewise. >> what exactly does that mean? because of the context of higher taxes, and spending cuts, you would think there would be an economic impact. how can it not involve economics? >> well, there's certainly an economic impact. my point was just that the real issue for us is that our budget rules were designed for a different set of problems. you know, historically, movements in debt were about war and peace. you borrowed money to fight a war, you paid it off in peace time. now we're talking about the rise of the entitlement states. social security and medicare. we need different budget rules. this isn't just about a fiscal cliff. >> the demographics don't exactly help the problem either. we're in a time when the population is g
to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. but use that debate as an economic one, says our next guest. chairman of the council of economic advisers under george w. bush and adviser to presidential candidate mitt romney. he's in new york city this morning. glenn, great to see you. >> good morning. likewise. >> what exactly does that mean? because of the context of higher taxes, and spending cuts, you would think there would be an economic impact. how can it not involve economics? >>...
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the fiscal cliff is all about tax hikes. it is not about the spending cuts. then's a problem because we have sluggish growth and we have a spending problem and 16 trillion in debt and raising those taxes aren't going to fix our problems. i've never heard of taxing our way into prosperity. and so i don't understand why the discussion is centering so much around the hikes and not around cutting the spending, which is what we need to do. stuart: the president actually wants 50 billion in extra spending in the -- charles: he also wants the power to raise the debt willy-nilly whenever he wants. the g.o.p. lost that. they should have drawn that line in the sand a long time ago. it's always been about revenues. boehner's already given in on that. it's just how do we come to that numb number? here's the thing, the president isn't going to listen to anything outside of the oval office. what they are telling him, you have a mandate, you have a decisive victory, pound, pound, pound. stuart: i think he will have a tax increase on the rich, promise of spending cuts -- cha
the fiscal cliff is all about tax hikes. it is not about the spending cuts. then's a problem because we have sluggish growth and we have a spending problem and 16 trillion in debt and raising those taxes aren't going to fix our problems. i've never heard of taxing our way into prosperity. and so i don't understand why the discussion is centering so much around the hikes and not around cutting the spending, which is what we need to do. stuart: the president actually wants 50 billion in extra...
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president obama was in michigan today pushing his fiscal cliff plan. he made the solution sound so simple. >> when you put it all together, what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class familiefamilies, w some tough spending cuts on things we don't need, and then we ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> but not so fast, mr. president. we need a little more than you're talking about. president obama says his plan reduces the deficit by $4 trillion over ten years. forget the fact it counts war savings which shouldn't count. let's go with the $4 trillion. john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over ten years. you shouldn't be comparing those two nubs. what you should think about is $16 trillion. that's how much debt the country has. according to bill groesdz, the man who runs the biggest fund, ie, the man who decides how much we can spend and borrow, we have to cut spending or raise taxes. that's $1.6 trillion a year. that's $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes. and $1.38 t
president obama was in michigan today pushing his fiscal cliff plan. he made the solution sound so simple. >> when you put it all together, what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class familiefamilies, w some tough spending cuts on things we don't need, and then we ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> but not so fast, mr. president. we need a little more than you're talking about. president obama says his plan reduces the...
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just when you thought the fiscal cliff talks were at a standstill, john boehner spent time today at the white house with president obama. we like to spend our sunday afternoons with cnn contributor. lz granderson, a writer for espn, consultant and strategist, good to see body of you. john boehner had some pretty tough words for the president on friday, listen. >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue that the president seeks on the table. well, but none of it's going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> so anna, he also said the white house has wasted another week. now two days later, they're meeting again. did boehner's remarks make the difference? >> good. look, i think it's great. we cannot reach a deal if you are posturing and negotiating through press conferences. they need so sit in a room, they need to look at each other, they need to talk constructive debate, and they need to move this ball forward. i think what happened today is a very good sign. americans should be encouraged. it's a good thing.
just when you thought the fiscal cliff talks were at a standstill, john boehner spent time today at the white house with president obama. we like to spend our sunday afternoons with cnn contributor. lz granderson, a writer for espn, consultant and strategist, good to see body of you. john boehner had some pretty tough words for the president on friday, listen. >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue that the president seeks on the table. well, but none of it's...
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the next thing after fiscal cliff is potential for government shutdown. we're almost over the fiscal cliff and looking at government shutdown. there's no end on short term but long term. >> except for a the rise above stuff you said, marc, you want to marry me? you're absolutely right. i don't like government to do things, everybody getting along, you're so right. there's this huge perception somehow government has always gotten along in america until now. isn't it crazy? it's such a small voice, so few people who think that way. >> exactly. it's a rosy eye'd view at the past. the founding fathers never got along and competed with each other bitterly. >> did you think you would get a marriage proposal on tv this morning? sn>> i will have to consult wit my current wife. >> let meask you something else in the headlines, this news apple may be getting closer to producing an apple tv. your take? does it really happen? >> nobody knows because apple is locked down like a vaulted in the valley. i don't know anything. the assumption of the valley is they will do
the next thing after fiscal cliff is potential for government shutdown. we're almost over the fiscal cliff and looking at government shutdown. there's no end on short term but long term. >> except for a the rise above stuff you said, marc, you want to marry me? you're absolutely right. i don't like government to do things, everybody getting along, you're so right. there's this huge perception somehow government has always gotten along in america until now. isn't it crazy? it's such a...
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cliff. >>> meantime, there are just 12 shopping days left until christmas. if you include today. and big questions remain over just how much consumers will spend this year. nowhere is that being watched closer than at high-end brands like estee lauder with licensing agreements with everyone from coach to coors. john lauder is on with us. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> you have as good a read as anybody on the high-end consumer and what they're doing now. what can you tell us? >> well, right now we see the high-end consumer is continuing to spend. she has a great deal of confidence in north america, not perhaps as aggressive as we'd like to see her, but she's doing pretty well. we're seeing the high-end consumer in asia continues to be strong. there's been a lot of noise about the demand in china. the reality of what we're seeing is high-end demand in shanghai, beijing and other very developed cities is not as strong as it used to be, but it still continues to be very strong. but the demand in tier two and three cities continues to be ex
cliff. >>> meantime, there are just 12 shopping days left until christmas. if you include today. and big questions remain over just how much consumers will spend this year. nowhere is that being watched closer than at high-end brands like estee lauder with licensing agreements with everyone from coach to coors. john lauder is on with us. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> you have as good a read as anybody on the high-end consumer and what they're doing...
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to the republicans to come up with the spending cut proposal, not the democrats. do you agree with that? i mean, shouldn't both sides be sitting down and putting their cards on the table? we only have a few days left before the deadline here, sir. >> i'm having trouble hearing you and i got the gist of it. here's what i would point out. i have speaker boehner's letter a to the president in my hand where they call for $900 billion in cuts but don't specify how they are going to get the cuts. the president, on the other hand, if you look at his budget, it's on the internet, he spells out in great detail how he's going to get the $600 billion cuts. another very important fact to know is that the republican ryan budget, the one that passed the house last year and senate republicans supported, that budget has less medicare savings over the next ten years than the president's budget has medicare savings. they just don't like the way the president achieved his medicare savings. >> how would you achieve the medicare savings? for example, are you ready to say that you woul
to the republicans to come up with the spending cut proposal, not the democrats. do you agree with that? i mean, shouldn't both sides be sitting down and putting their cards on the table? we only have a few days left before the deadline here, sir. >> i'm having trouble hearing you and i got the gist of it. here's what i would point out. i have speaker boehner's letter a to the president in my hand where they call for $900 billion in cuts but don't specify how they are going to get the...